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Robbie Marriage's avatar

As it relates to the Hall of Fame, there is no hard line against cheating. There is a hard line against people who cheated and were not liked by baseball writers. Elsewise, why are admitted PED users Mike Piazza, Jeff Bagwell, drug test failure (albeit a dubious test) David Ortiz, and Ivan Rodriguez (who came into the testing era looking like a different person) in the Hall?

The arguments of Piazza and Bagwell and Rodriguez are that the substances they were using were not illegal at the time they were using them, which is true, but I beg you, exactly how does that differ from Bonds, Clemens, Sheffield, Palmeiro, etc.? I suppose the answer is degrees of cheating again. All these guys have admitted to using PEDs that weren't steroids, but if we're going that far, how do we feel about notorious cocaine abuser Tim Raines? Does cocaine on the field during a game count as a PED? I would say so, but the writers apparently wouldn't.

You see the problem here?

It's awfully convenient that we take a hardline stance against precisely what Bonds, and Clemens, and guys we don't like did, meanwhile admitted PED (albeit not steroid) users Mike Piazza and Jeff Bagwell are in the Hall of Fame, plus David Ortiz, who like most of the guys in that New York Times leak debacle, I feel comfortable convicting of PED use, but not steroid use. All these guys are in the same boat, PED but not steroid users, and all are in the Hall of Fame. Add onto this the skyrocketing vote totals of Mr 'I did it and I'm sorry,' Andy Pettitte, and it's clear that this museum will permit PED users, just only the right ones.

However, when we change the name to Sammy Sosa, who I would lump into this same group, all of a sudden it's an unforgivable offence. Why? Because the writers wanted those other guys in the Hall of Fame, but they didn't want Sammy Sosa, for some reason.

As it relates to Carlos Beltran, if we're going to keep every player who took advantage of a home field illegality out of the Hall of Fame, we're going to have to evict 75 percent of them, and we won't be able to elect Mookie Betts, Jose Altuve, Aaron Judge, or anybody that was on the trio of AL cheaters in 2017 (Astros, Red Sox, Yankees), so I'm not too worried about that. Cheating is part of the game, in some ways, but this PED thing just irks me, particularly in the case of Sammy Sosa.

Mark Kolier's avatar

Well done today Sean. The degrees of cheating reference is spot-on. I rarely see HOF Gaylord Perry mentioned in the same breath as Beltran, and PED folks. A guy that wrote a book called 'Me and the Spitter'. And it's not that Gaylord Perry shouldn't be in the HOF! But could you imagine a book entitled 'Me and PEDs?' by one of the accused?

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